This is my response to a former co-worker’s post about religion. It is a touchy subject, and I understand if you are offended or have a response to part if not all of it. I also know I am not all knowing. His original post was very long and I really wanted to be able to address all of it, so I am going to split it up into two parts. Here is part 1. I respect this man a lot and his beliefs are important to me.
http://blasphemousramblings.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/on-christianity/
God is Evil:
Your example of the teacher and the attacker is a free will example, where the attacker is choosing free will, as is the teacher. So God, who I assume also has free will, chooses not to affect the outcomes of the non-free will tragedies. You cannot assume God chooses to allow tragedy for either a reason or for no reason at all. Just because we do not know a reason does not conclude that there is no reason behind allowing such tragedies. Many people will defend allowing tragedies because it shapes and forms the people who are affected by them. I do not think this applies to all situations, but without knowing for sure, it is hard to draw conclusions.
It is kind of like those red light cameras popping up at intersections. A still frame photo of somebody running a red light does not paint an accurate picture of an entire situation. My dad successfully argued that an 18-wheeler was bearing down behind him approaching an intersection, so he choose to examine the intersection and speed thru a yellow light that eventually turned red. The situation posed two choices, run a red light or get creamed by an 18-wheeler into the intersection. Clearly running the red light is wrong, but the other choice was worse. God may allow tragedies to happen that are not because of free will, but without knowing why it occurs I cannot draw a conclusion that God is evil.
Heaven is Terrifying:
In most situations the unknown is always terrifying. People always relate things to things they know. I’ve traveled with Texans to other countries and people always relate new experiences to places and things they know from home. They fear trying new things, even though millions of other humans do it a different way. I’ve been gifted to grow up in two cultures simultaneously, this opens up my mind to doing things in different ways, yet when I hear of a new way, it still seems strange and often scary to me. Kind of vague but going on…
Dostoyevsky sounds like the scene from the Matrix where Agent Smith is questioning Morpheous. He says the robots created perfect societies and the humans kept rejecting it. I think this kind of defends God is Evil, because without knowing bad you cannot scale your good. I guess just having free will would create enough evil in the world, but back to heaving being terrifying. You assume because heaven is heaven, and because those in heaven know and have experienced the tragedy of the world, free will choices, while still choices, will always result in the better choice, keeping heaving at status quo. Just because you have free will and can choose A and B does not conclude that eventually somebody will pick B. That’s like going to a roulette table and seeing that the past 100 numbers have been red and betting black because it is ‘due’. Each situation has its own independent probability. Just because red hasn’t landed doesn’t mean black must land. Just because people have the choice between A and B does not mean everybody can’t pick A all of the time, especially when influenced by being in heaving in the presence of God and having experienced tragedies in life.
I grew up in a Buddhist household. The greatest mountain to climb in becoming a Christian was that I was basically condemning my family to hell if I decided a Christian God was the God for me. I still struggle with it and my weakest moments of faith are hoping that I’m wrong and we all get to heaven. So I can see that this is a strong argument that heaven isn’t all that it claims to be. However, I cannot say that the happiness in heaven will not be greater than the sadness I feel that people I love are in Hell.
I’m not too sure about the wiping of memories theory. I’ve never heard it but I’ve heard a bunch of crazy things people make up that aren’t in the Bible. It is the flaw of man at work. This is a difficult question, but one that cannot be answered one way or another.
Infinity is not something I believe our minds can grasp. Once again, if we use our finite lives to examine infinite time in heaven with an infinitely powerful God, we will never get an answer.
Why did Satan rebel? A logical argument is simply because he could. Free will allows the choice between A and B and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels picked B. I’m not sure if this made heaven a bad place or not, but if heaven is heaven I’m sure the only people who suffereed are Satan and his gang. Some people just do not want heaven. Look at society and crime. If everybody picked the right thing we’d all be great and dandy but people pick choice B all the time, so I assume Satan can. This doesn’t really affect those in heaven or even their status of happiness there, it only really affects Satan. This may weaken my previous argument that in heaven people always pick A even with free will but having Satan pick B may or may not affect anything in heaven at all. I think the most popular explanation about Satan is that he believed he was as powerful as God. Not being God, Satan can make such a mistake and not know. It shouldn’t affect what heaven is if Satan likes it or not. Heaven wasn’t heaven to Satan like Christianity isn’t for all the souls in Hell.
I also have no issue with Satan being pure evil. God could have created Satan as a gauge for people to view good and evil. If I taste a mediocre fruit it is both the best and worst fruit I’ve ever eaten if I have never eaten another fruit. Just like how we try to measure infinite things with finite things, we measure good to other good and evils.
Back to free will Satan. Satan may have picked to leave heaven not because he thought heaven was boring and sucked, but that he could make a better heaven and being ‘not all powerful’ didn’t know he could not and that he would fail and be in the fire. Sometimes people confuse Satan with an evil version of God, but Satan is really just a creation of God, without similar power or knowledge.
Why God doesn’t appear.
According to the Bible He did and people didn’t believe. He came as Jesus and people didn’t believe. What difference does it make now that we have cameras? If I saw a man claiming to be the son of god on Youtube, I would believe it less than if I saw the same guy perform miracles in real life. Yes there are questions, but nothing about the question disproves God, His power, or His choices.
Pope infallibility is a Catholic belief that I do not agree with. Man stated in Biblical text is flawed. You cannot judge a God by people who are not God. Additionally just because a person claims to be Christian does not make them Christian, and their actions do not cast light about God.
I believe that the Bible is God influenced. It is inspired and kept in line by God. There are errors in translation and typos to be sure but the gist and meaning behind it are intact. So yes there may be errors because of the telephone game but no nothing is so messed up that God’s ideals and path to heaven are wrong because of it.
I also do not believe the Bible needs clarification. The steps are simple and at least the basics are easy to follow. Jesus boils down the commandments to two simple things. Just because humans are flawed and have a hard time following them doesn’t mean the Bible is vague. As a law student, I’ve seen people argue over nothing more than comma placement, so I know that humans will always think something is vague. If something is written too simple it is too simple. If something is written more complex it is too complex. It is hard to satisfy all. My level of reading comprehension differs from that of an English major. I already think it is admirable how well the Bible is read and by how many people. Not that those facts are proof of God’s work in it, but it does weaken any argument the other way that the Bible is not clear so therefore God didn’t make it.
Luckily I fall into the category of people who were NOT raised Christian and apparently are not brainwashed into it. Admittedly I grew up in the south and were surrounded by Christians who showed both hate and love. I just feel a little more open minded than most people. I argue the 1000 kid in a bubble argument doesn’t always come out the way we expect. People’s brains are hard wired to believe in higher beings. I’ve heard my brother the psychology major (now in med school) argue a thousand different points of views on religion. The one that sticks out to me the most is why people pray. It is normally about having control in a situation without control. If I am in a tornado, I pray to God to save me, not really because God needs to be told, but because I want God to step in and do something when I cannot. Logically, if I know the situation is without control, why would I bother praying unless I’m somehow hard wired to think something bigger than me exists that I can control. While the control part may be flawed, the God part would clearly affect the outcome of people growing up in a bubble.
It is true that the majority of people will choose a religion based on where they live and how they grew up, but that doesn’t make the religion wrong. I understand that my belief in Christ is no different than a Scientologist’s believe in alien beings, but faith is still faith, even if people choose differently.
I also do not believe in brainwashing children. However, if I truly believe my religion is the correct one, you cannot fault me for wanting everybody else to believe it too. Of course the easy way is to brainwash the children, which while I do not agree with is simply just one strategy used by some humans flawed in their methods doing what they believe is right. It doesn’t make the religion wrong, it makes the people wrong. Preventing somebody from going to Hell is a good cause. No faith is so clearly right, else it would be science. You worry people will go to Hell because you believe in your faith and not theirs.
Still to Come:
Easy answers to difficult questions
Philosophical questions
The human body is poorly designed
Early Christian history